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Love Life Interview Intro

Encores! Love Life speaks to America, five years after shutdown

A conversation between Victoria Clark (director) and Rob Berman (conductor), with additional contributions from Tracy Christensen (costumes), Ryan Howell (sets), and JoAnn M. Hunter (choreographer).

Originally published as part of the Kurt Weill Newsletter, Volume 42, Number 2. Click here to read the full newsletter.

Love Life Creative Team

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Standing: Ryan Howell, Sara Brians, Brandon Bieber; Seated: Tracy Christensen, Victoria Clark, JoAnn M. Hunter; Laptop: Rob Berman "Zooming" in

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Victoria Clark: It’s thrilling to return to Love Life. The last day we were all together was 12 March 2020, when all live performances shut down due to the onslaught of COVID-19. We did our first and only run-through that afternoon. In an instant, all the work we had done for the previous three years evaporated before we even made it to the Sitzprobe, technical rehearsals, or performances.

Rob Berman: Now we, and America, are five years older. Are you thinking about this project differently?

VC: I still see Love Life as two interlocking descending spirals. One spiral tells the story of the Cooper family and a marriage that is strained and eventually broken by the stresses of modern life. The other is the story of the American Dream and how it threatens to undermine us, told through a series of vaudeville acts that serve as socio-political commentary.

As I approach the piece now, I feel more drawn than ever to the Coopers’ story. I don’t see them as just symbolic figures; they are flesh and blood people living in the present day. Weill and Lerner challenge us to see both life and love as full of nuance; living and loving both require work. How have you changed your thinking, Rob? What do you admire about the score?

RB: In writing a “vaudeville,” Weill drew on so many American idioms: a soft-shoe, a blues, a Tin Pan Alley number, a hoedown, a torch song, and so on. Yet none of it feels generic or pastiche. Things don’t go where you think they are going and there are musical surprises at every turn. My favorite pieces to dig into with a performer are monologues which constantly shift in feeling; in Love Life, the alternately heartbreaking and triumphant “This is the Life” is a real tour de force.

The score contains heartfelt sentiment, savvy showmanship, and biting satire. It’s easy to see how it influenced theater artists such as Kander and Ebb or Hal Prince. It’s smart, has a strong point of view, and makes the most of that quintessential American invention, “show-biz.” What speaks to you about the book?

VC: This piece is deeply insightful about marriage, family, our country, and the skill it takes to communicate. Love Life exposes in both serious and comic ways how Americans are lured by the shinier thing, and how our own greed and egos take us farther and farther away from the simple act of listening to one another and tending our relationships. This production gives us an opportunity to explore what it means to be an American, from the vantage of our own diverse backgrounds and stories. How big are our hearts and minds? Big enough to hold all our diversity — race, ideology, culture, class, history? As Americans, how do we weather change, as we are buffeted by social, economic, cultural, environmental, political, technological, and human influences? Like Sam and Susan, can we find a way to talk to each other?

RB: The original creative journey of the show took many twists and turns, with many rewrites between out-of-town tryouts and Broadway. What do you think they were struggling with? I think some of your ideas about the piece are picking up where they left off.

VC: Weill, Lerner, Elia Kazan (director), and Michael Kidd (choreographer) were so ambitious and brave in their construction and interpretation, always testing ideas and changes. They wound up cutting the most heartbreaking scenes and songs about the marriage; we are restoring them. I believe modern audiences can appreciate that complexity, and those moments are integral to the story. 

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RB: One adjustment you have made is enlarging the roles of the two Cooper children. What effect will that have?

VC: As we planned in 2020, the Cooper children, Elizabeth and Johnny, will guide the storytelling. They have the most at stake in looking at their parents’ shared history. We are hoping this point of view will provide some structural glue and emotional underpinning. They provide emotional ballast for the comic and absurd moments.

RB: The theme of illusion vs. reality runs through the piece. What do you think Lerner and Weill were getting at with “For that land is a sandy illusion?” in “Here I’ll Stay”?

VC: Perhaps it’s a reminder that the American Dream as we imagine it is really unattainable. Our pre-sculpted ideals about “love” and “life” prevent us from seeing who and what are standing right in front of us, in this present moment.

RB: How about our cast? Nicholas Christopher is our new Sam, and Kate Baldwin returns as Susan.

VC: Nicholas is an incredibly charismatic actor on the brink of major stardom who embodies Sam’s restlessness and drive and takes a nuanced approach to the role. Kate is our modern-day Nanette Fabray, with all her wit, heart, and tremendous skill as a singer and actor. They are the quintessential Sam and Susan.

RB: Love Life isn’t a classic or a warhorse; it’s an adventurous, bold experiment of a show. Our challenge is to make the best case for the show today, not as a curiosity or museum piece. I hope more productions will result.

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Tracy Christensen, costume designer:
The costume vocabulary will not be literal, but will offer just enough information for the audience to understand the characters and their journey through time. Through color, line and detail, the design will mark historical periods, distinguish between vaudeville and family scenes, and express things about individual characters elegantly and simply with the smallest of gestures.

Ryan Howell, set designer:
I was initially intrigued by Love Life as the first concept musical, which later musicals drew on almost as a blueprint. I’ve had time away from the piece and see it through a new, family-focused lens; that allows me to be more playful and imaginative, qualities we’re emphasizing through Johnny and Elizabeth. I’ve been inspired by old photos from the vaudeville circuit. When you juxtapose those photos with modern art, it resonates with the timeless story of Love Life.

JoAnn M. Hunter, choreographer:
The things that appeal to me are the detailed picture of a single relationship over time, and the vaudeville-woven themes — satirical, reflective, or parallel. They allow for freedom in movement. I looked at photos (not videos) of people from different eras and let their postures influence the movements I create. My style must serve the show; it must change as I work.

Encores! Love Life

Encores! Love Life

Mar 26 – 30, 2025

Love Life, the only collaboration between Kurt Weill and Alan Jay Lerner, depicts a love story that takes place over 200 years of American history, through the eyes of a family who never ages. This rarely staged production directed by Tony winner Victoria Clark (Kimberly Akimbo) and featuring Kate Baldwin (Hello, Dolly!) and Nicholas Christopher (Encores! Jelly's Last Jam) is considered by some to be the first concept musical, an inspiration for musical theater favorites such as Cabaret, Chicago, and Company.

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